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	<title>Comments for VoxPopuLII</title>
	<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on VoxPop poses a Prisoner&#8217;s Dilemma (sort of) by Twitter Trackbacks for » VoxPop poses a Prisoner’s Dilemma (sort of) VoxPopuLII [cornell.edu] on Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/20/voxpop-poses-a-prisoners-dilemma-sort-of/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitter Trackbacks for » VoxPop poses a Prisoner’s Dilemma (sort of) VoxPopuLII [cornell.edu] on Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] » VoxPop poses a Prisoner’s Dilemma (sort of) VoxPopuLII  blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/20/voxpop-poses-a-prisoners-dilemma-sort-of &#8211; view page &#8211; cached  We pride ourselves on the murkiness of our authorial invitation process at VoxPop. How are authors selected, exactly? Nobody knows, not even the guy who does the selecting. We’d like to lift the... Read moreWe pride ourselves on the murkiness of our authorial invitation process at VoxPop. How are authors selected, exactly? Nobody knows, not even the guy who does the selecting. We’d like to lift the veil briefly, by asking for volunteers to help us with a particular area we’re interested in. Read less [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] » VoxPop poses a Prisoner’s Dilemma (sort of) VoxPopuLII  blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/20/voxpop-poses-a-prisoners-dilemma-sort-of &ndash; view page &ndash; cached  We pride ourselves on the murkiness of our authorial invitation process at VoxPop. How are authors selected, exactly? Nobody knows, not even the guy who does the selecting. We’d like to lift the&#8230; Read moreWe pride ourselves on the murkiness of our authorial invitation process at VoxPop. How are authors selected, exactly? Nobody knows, not even the guy who does the selecting. We’d like to lift the veil briefly, by asking for volunteers to help us with a particular area we’re interested in. Read less [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction by Jason Wilson</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-154</guid>
		<description>Tom,

Excellent piece. I would add two things. 

First, I think the strategy of Black's is in part about providing you with a better user experience, but also to extend and increase the margins on its best selling book. The cost of printing and producing Black's is undoubtedly less than what it took to make the electronic applications. Because it has such a long shelf life (5 years, but it used to be 10), and Thomson has it's own printing facility, books are definitely cheaper. Factor in Apple's 30% and your margins on books look even better. The key to the app's success though is to get you to buy an updated version every year. Besides, the odds are you won't have your cell phone for that long.

Second, your discussion on filters could be expanded to those secondary sources you mention. We all rely on good search and a good UI to help us navigate secondary sources, and I think that has made publishers and authors lazy about things are written, organized, and designed. So what if a book is 2,000 pages long, you can search it and find what you want. But even the best search can't fix a poorly designed book. As a researcher, you know the bad books. You know the ones that are updated with the pocket part mentality. There are too many of them, and they are poor filters of the larger body of law. Our filtering system won't improve until both the front and back ends are rethought and redesigned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Excellent piece. I would add two things. </p>
<p>First, I think the strategy of Black&#8217;s is in part about providing you with a better user experience, but also to extend and increase the margins on its best selling book. The cost of printing and producing Black&#8217;s is undoubtedly less than what it took to make the electronic applications. Because it has such a long shelf life (5 years, but it used to be 10), and Thomson has it&#8217;s own printing facility, books are definitely cheaper. Factor in Apple&#8217;s 30% and your margins on books look even better. The key to the app&#8217;s success though is to get you to buy an updated version every year. Besides, the odds are you won&#8217;t have your cell phone for that long.</p>
<p>Second, your discussion on filters could be expanded to those secondary sources you mention. We all rely on good search and a good UI to help us navigate secondary sources, and I think that has made publishers and authors lazy about things are written, organized, and designed. So what if a book is 2,000 pages long, you can search it and find what you want. But even the best search can&#8217;t fix a poorly designed book. As a researcher, you know the bad books. You know the ones that are updated with the pocket part mentality. There are too many of them, and they are poor filters of the larger body of law. Our filtering system won&#8217;t improve until both the front and back ends are rethought and redesigned.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction by Real Estate Agent</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Estate Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-152</guid>
		<description>Really awesome article! I pretty much agree with the argument that it's not about information overloaded but filter failure. Either our brain (human power) or search engine (machine power) need to do a better job on filtering out the noise. The problem is that we still want choices and alternatives to evaluate in any condition, but perhaps we don't need to worry about this since search engine still has a long way to go</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really awesome article! I pretty much agree with the argument that it&#8217;s not about information overloaded but filter failure. Either our brain (human power) or search engine (machine power) need to do a better job on filtering out the noise. The problem is that we still want choices and alternatives to evaluate in any condition, but perhaps we don&#8217;t need to worry about this since search engine still has a long way to go</p>
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		<title>Comment on Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction by » Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction VoxPopuLII</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>» Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction VoxPopuLII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-148</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction by Laura Bergus</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Bergus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-147</guid>
		<description>Tom,
I cannot thank you enough for explaining so perfectly the trouble that many students have with Westlaw/Lexis. (At least those of us who have grown up with rapidly-improving web interfaces in every other environment from shopping to webmail to course management applications to entertainment to news to official government sites...)

I plan to use Google Scholar for source-location, and can foresee copying a list of cites into WL (after *I* do the work of sorting numerically by jurisdiction so I can have a chronological ordering of cases, since this fundamental database function is absent from WL's interface) to "Find &#38; Print" to PDF.

I would love to see some educators put students searching head-to-head on Google Scholar, Westlaw and Lexis. My hypothesis is that the usability of Google Scholar, even given the more limited content, will result in better quality results.

Thank you again for highlighting these basic flaws in these systems, which, as you point out, could be fixed with some very basic standards-compliance measures on the site design side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
I cannot thank you enough for explaining so perfectly the trouble that many students have with Westlaw/Lexis. (At least those of us who have grown up with rapidly-improving web interfaces in every other environment from shopping to webmail to course management applications to entertainment to news to official government sites&#8230;)</p>
<p>I plan to use Google Scholar for source-location, and can foresee copying a list of cites into WL (after *I* do the work of sorting numerically by jurisdiction so I can have a chronological ordering of cases, since this fundamental database function is absent from WL&#8217;s interface) to &#8220;Find &amp; Print&#8221; to PDF.</p>
<p>I would love to see some educators put students searching head-to-head on Google Scholar, Westlaw and Lexis. My hypothesis is that the usability of Google Scholar, even given the more limited content, will result in better quality results.</p>
<p>Thank you again for highlighting these basic flaws in these systems, which, as you point out, could be fixed with some very basic standards-compliance measures on the site design side.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction by uberVU - social comments</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by trbruce: Now in VoxPopuLII : @tomboone on duopolies and web usability.  Wonder what duopoly he could be talking about.....?  http://bit.ly/4nPNx9...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by trbruce: Now in VoxPopuLII : @tomboone on duopolies and web usability.  Wonder what duopoly he could be talking about&#8230;..?  <a href="http://bit.ly/4nPNx9..." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4nPNx9&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction by Twitter Trackbacks for » Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction VoxPopuLII [cornell.edu] on Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitter Trackbacks for » Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction VoxPopuLII [cornell.edu] on Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] » Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction VoxPopuLII  blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction &#8211; view page &#8211; cached  Published November 19, 2009 Law librarians , digital law , information retrieval , legal research [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] » Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction VoxPopuLII  blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/11/19/duopolies-web-usability-and-legal-research-instruction &ndash; view page &ndash; cached  Published November 19, 2009 Law librarians , digital law , information retrieval , legal research [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Recipe for Better Legal Information Services by &#187; Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction VoxPopuLII</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/08/12/recipe-for-better-legal-information-services/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Duopolies, web usability, and legal research instruction VoxPopuLII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will see value in using price or usability to gain market share. Lewis &#38; Clark law student (and VoxPopuLII author) Robb Shecter recently introduced OregonLaws.org, a free repository of Oregon law that currently [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] will see value in using price or usability to gain market share. Lewis &amp; Clark law student (and VoxPopuLII author) Robb Shecter recently introduced OregonLaws.org, a free repository of Oregon law that currently [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Venture Capital and Peer Production by Thoughts on Google &#38; Legal Research &#171; Legal Informatics Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/10/19/venture-capital-and-peer-production/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on Google &#38; Legal Research &#171; Legal Informatics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.law.cornell.edu/voxpop/2009/10/19/venture-capital-and-peer-production/#comment-140</guid>
		<description>[...] An interesting white paper published earlier this year by Tim O&#8217;Reilly &#38; John Battelle may shed light on Google&#8217;s next steps. That paper notes Google&#8217;s aptitude for developing sophisticated automatic metadata creation systems, such as the one underlying Google Mobile App, that incorporate improvements drawn from the study of large numbers of user searches. This aptitude suggests that Google probably won&#8217;t need very long to build a good quality automatic legal citator and subject indexing system, if it has a mind to. If Google takes those further steps, then I think it could take a big share of the high-end CALR market. At the very least, its efforts, coupled with Bloomberg&#8217;s, should result in increased competition, lower prices, and more innovation yielding better retrieval tools for users in the U.S. CALR sector. (On the obstacles to innovation in the U.S. CALR sector, see Professor Viktor Mayer-Schönberger&#8217;s recent post on VoxPopuLII.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] An interesting white paper published earlier this year by Tim O&#8217;Reilly &amp; John Battelle may shed light on Google&#8217;s next steps. That paper notes Google&#8217;s aptitude for developing sophisticated automatic metadata creation systems, such as the one underlying Google Mobile App, that incorporate improvements drawn from the study of large numbers of user searches. This aptitude suggests that Google probably won&#8217;t need very long to build a good quality automatic legal citator and subject indexing system, if it has a mind to. If Google takes those further steps, then I think it could take a big share of the high-end CALR market. At the very least, its efforts, coupled with Bloomberg&#8217;s, should result in increased competition, lower prices, and more innovation yielding better retrieval tools for users in the U.S. CALR sector. (On the obstacles to innovation in the U.S. CALR sector, see Professor Viktor Mayer-Schönberger&#8217;s recent post on VoxPopuLII.) [&#8230;]</p>
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